has struggled with this issue since the beginning, you know, he got hurt by the fact that that let detroit go bankrupt headline was not his headline, it is something he has had to, some crow he had to eat not crow he made on his own. look, he has not been able to answer that question well. he has tried it different ways, right? the one answer i thought was his most effective is, hey, eventually the president got it right, what he did at first i wasn't for but the managed bankruptcy was the way to go, he struggled there but when he tried to agree with the president too much, a couple of months ago, then i think he got some heat and said, no, no, no don't forget the delphi workers in ohio who said their pensions got basically taken away by the auto deal. >> rose: chuck, i know you have to go, thank you so much, go ahead. >> i thought romney's strongest answer was the answer where he said obama promised the economy would be much better and it is not. >> rose: i did too. >> and then he had that nice, staring line and the difference between those two unemployment rates i think the number was 9